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PERSONAL
FINANCE FOR
ENGINEERS
CS 007: SESSION 6
ALL
ABOUT
DEBT
CS 007
COMPOUNDING
good for savings. bad for debt.
THE MAGIC OF COMPOUNDING
• Not convinced that Albert Einstein
said it was the greatest force in the
universe.
• It's the key to almost all long term
financial planning.
• Exponentials are bad in algorithmic
cost, good for savings returns.
• The problem is that financial rates of
return seem small, particularly in the
early years.
• The key is to stick with it.
COMPOUNDING MADE EASY
• Rule of 72
• For each year, just use
=POWER(1+rate, year)
• 4% over 20 years is 2.19x
• 8% over 20 years is 4.66x
• Careful: it works on debt
just as well as savings... in
reverse!
ANNUAL PERCENTAGE RATE (APR)
• Standardized measure of how expensive a
loan is, or the expected return of an
investment
• Needed because of the wide variety of
fees and interest-rate structures possible.
• Does not include compounding
• Tends to be higher than nominal interest
rate due to fees or related payment
requirements.
• APR = simple interest
APY = compound interest
1% monthly = 12% APR = 12.68% APY
APR = Periodic Rate x Number of Periods in a Year
APY = (1 + Periodic Rate) ^ Number of Periods - 1
APR ≠ APY
THE BENEFITS OF AN EARLY START
• Compounding really takes off
over long time periods
• Exponential functions are non-
linear. Every time period builds
on the previous one.
• In most retirement planning
models, money saved between
ages 25 - 35 produces more
assets in retirement than all
savings between 35 – 65!
Years Return at 8%
10 2.16x
20 4.66x
30 10.06x
40 21.72x
50 46.9x
TYPES OF DEBT
student loans, mortgage, auto, credit cards
6: STUDENT LOANS THAT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR?
• National student loan debt at $1.64T
• 44.7 million student loan borrowers.
• Average debt for Class of 2019
borrower was $29,900.
• Student default rate is 10.9%
* https://studentloanhero.com/student-loan-debt-statistics/
* https://lendedu.com/blog/average-student-loan-debt-statistics
STUDENT LOANS
• $1.6 Trillion in the US, and growing rapidly.
• Unsecured loan provided to fund education &
some related expenses
• Loan programs for students & parents. Financial
need based.
• Interest rates can be fixed or variable.
Significant difference in undergrad vs. grad
• Rates are much lower than equivalent unsecured
long term personal loan to a teenager.
• US government subsidizes in a variety of ways:
no interest, rate limits, payment programs, loan
waivers
• Typical term is 10 years, but research shows
average payoff time is closer to 21 years due to
alternative payment plans & refinancing
* https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/13/facts-about-student-loans/
MORTGAGES
• $15.4 Trillion in the US. $10.9
Trillion for just family residences.
• Secured loan against a property.
Can be residential or commercial.
• Wide variety of terms. Interest
rates can be fixed or variable.
• Common mortgages: 30 year fixed,
5/1 adjustable rate mortgage (ARM)
• Refinancing is common.
• Qualification: debt / income, debt /
property value, credit score
*https://www.statista.com/topics/1685/mortgage-industry-of-the-united-states/
*https://www.federalreserve.gov/data/mortoutstand/current.htm
AUTO LOANS
• $1.3 Trillion (as of mid-2018)
• Secured loan against a vehicle,
typically acquired at purchase.
• Wide variety of terms. Interest
rates can be fixed or variable.
• Typically 3-5 years, fixed rate.
• Rates vary significantly across
providers, auto manufacturers use
financing to influence demand.
• Leasing vs. Buying
• Qualification: credit score
* https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-seven-year-auto-loan-americas-middle-class-cant-afford-their-cars-11569941215
CREDIT CARDS
• $1 Trillion+ (as of Q2 2019)
• Unsecured loan, paid on a revolving
30-day cycle
• Wide variety of terms. Interest rates
are typically variable.
• Fees, benefits complicate simple
analysis.
• Interest rate is calculated daily, grace
period can be counter-intuitive /
expensive when exceeded.
• Qualification: income, credit score
• Key component of credit score (!)
* https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-states-average-household-now-owes-10175-in-credit-card-debt-2019-09-11
CREDIT SCORES
your borrowing record & why it matters
WHAT’S A CREDIT SCORE
• Lenders report to 3 major centralized
credit agencies when you apply for debt,
receive debt, and when you pay off debt.
• Building a good credit score is essential
for qualifying for most loans. It can affect
other services too, as it is used for
identity verification.
• Issues that affect credit score: length of
history, on time payment, percent of
capacity utilized, new applications for
debt, bankruptcy.
• Credit Karma 💯
http://www.creditkarma.com
WHY DO CREDIT SCORES MATTER?
• Critical component in qualifying for
new loans and the rate they are set at.
• Many products & services (like
wireless & cable plans) utilize them as
well to assess credit risk.
• Often utilized for identity verification
purposes.
• Particularly difficult for new
immigrants to build.
• Seems like a Catch-22, but there are
entry products that make it easier.
HOW DO I GET A CREDIT SCORE?
• Most common methods
• Secured credit cards
• Student credit cards
• Store credit cards
• Authorized user on a parent’s card
• Student loans, auto loans
• Don’t pay interest. Don’t miss a
payment. Don’t spend too much.
• There are services now that report
rent payments
LOANS & RATES
how much will you owe?
$12,000 AT 0% INTEREST FOR 1 YEAR
SIMPLE LOAN
PAYMENT = $1,000 PER MONTH
$0.00
$100.00
$200.00
$300.00
$400.00
$500.00
$600.00
$700.00
$800.00
$900.00
$1,000.00
$1,100.00
$1,200.00
$1,300.00
JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC
PRINCIPAL
$12,000 AT 12% INTEREST FOR 1 YEAR
SIMPLE LOAN
$0.00
$100.00
$200.00
$300.00
$400.00
$500.00
$600.00
$700.00
$800.00
$900.00
$1,000.00
$1,100.00
$1,200.00
$1,300.00
JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC
PRINCIPAL INTEREST
PAYMENT = $1,066.19 PER MONTH. FIRST MONTH = $120.00 INTEREST.
AMORTIZATION
• The process of reducing the value of
a loan by a periodic amount.
• PMT(), PPMT(), IPMT() built into
spreadsheets
• E60 teaches the basics of how to
convert cash flows to rates of return
(or vice versa)
• Once you have payment, you can
figure out interest & principal
portions trivially on an iterative
basis. (e.g. calc 1st period, reduce
principal, repeat for 2nd period, etc)
$30,000 AT 2.5% INTEREST FOR 3 YEARS
SAMPLE AUTO LOAN
$0.00
$100.00
$200.00
$300.00
$400.00
$500.00
$600.00
$700.00
$800.00
$900.00
$1,000.00
$1,100.00
$1,200.00
$1,300.00
JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV
PRINCIPAL INTEREST
PAYMENT = $865.84.19 PER MONTH. FIRST MONTH = $62.50 INTEREST.
$30,000 AT 8.5% INTEREST FOR 3 YEARS
SAMPLE AUTO LOAN
$0.00
$100.00
$200.00
$300.00
$400.00
$500.00
$600.00
$700.00
$800.00
$900.00
$1,000.00
$1,100.00
$1,200.00
$1,300.00
JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV
PRINCIPAL INTEREST
PAYMENT = $947.03 PER MONTH. FIRST MONTH = $212.50 INTEREST.
$800,000 AT 4% INTEREST FOR 30 YEARS
SAMPLE MORTGAGE
$0.00
$500.00
$1,000.00
$1,500.00
$2,000.00
$2,500.00
$3,000.00
$3,500.00
$4,000.00
$4,500.00
1 21 41 61 81 101 121 141 161 181 201 221 241 261 281 301 321 341
PRINCIPAL INTEREST
PAYMENT = $3,819.32 PER MONTH. FIRST MONTH = $2,666.67 INTEREST.
PAYING OFF DEBT
different strategies to dig out
THE DANGERS OF DEBT
• Bankruptcy is literally when you
can't pay your debts. You can't go
bankrupt if you don't have debt.
• You will never find a legitimate
investment that pays 8%
guaranteed, let alone 20%+
• You will find an endless supply of
credit offers out there that will
charge you 20%+
• “Bad” debt is toxic, your best return
is to pay it off. But emergency fund
can take precedence
HOW DO I PAY OFF DEBT EFFICIENTLY?
• This process assumes you can allocate more $
per month to paying off debt than the minimum
payments. Otherwise, that’s your priority.
• Organize your loans that you want to pay off.
Exclude mortgage from this calculation.
• Use consolidation to simplify loans and minimize
interest rate. In some cases, extending the term
can make sense to free up cash.
• Debt Snowball is a popularized term. Refers to
paying off the smallest loan first. Based on
emotional benefit of paying off debt.
• Mathematically, ideal to line up loans in terms of
interest rate. Minimumize payments on all loans,
use surplus to pay off most expensive loan first.
• Problem is that you don’t get cash flow relief
until you completely payoff a loan.
Student
Loan 1
Student
Loan 2
Credit
Card
Auto Loan
Amount $6,000 $8,000 $10,000 $20,000
Rate 2.5% 4.5% 22.9% 1.9%
Min Pmt $200 $250 $120 $450
Term 10yrs 10yrs ~ 3yrs
Peanut
Butter
$500 $500 $500 $500
Snowball $1180 $250 $120 $450
Optimal $200 $250 $1100 $450
ASSUME $2,000 IN DEBT PAYMENT PER MONTH* These numbers are illustrative only. They are not accurate representations of
payment amounts for the rate & period given.
SHOULD I PAY OFF ALL OF MY DEBT?
• More debt = more risk
• Not all debt is the same
• Compounding is not your friend with
debt, especially high interest debt.
• Some debt is subsidized (e.g.
Mortgage, Student Loans)
• Paying off debt can be emotionally
satisfying, but financially irrational.
• Paying off debt can improve savings
rates over time.
QUESTIONS
CS 007
WEEK 7: GOOD INVESTING IS BORING
• The Magic of Compounding
• How to Calculate Returns
• Different Types of Investments:
Stocks, Bonds, Commodities, Real
Estate
• Diversification
• Modern Portfolio Construction
• Taxes Matter

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Stanford CS 007-06 (2020): Personal Finance for Engineers / Debt

  • 4. THE MAGIC OF COMPOUNDING • Not convinced that Albert Einstein said it was the greatest force in the universe. • It's the key to almost all long term financial planning. • Exponentials are bad in algorithmic cost, good for savings returns. • The problem is that financial rates of return seem small, particularly in the early years. • The key is to stick with it.
  • 5. COMPOUNDING MADE EASY • Rule of 72 • For each year, just use =POWER(1+rate, year) • 4% over 20 years is 2.19x • 8% over 20 years is 4.66x • Careful: it works on debt just as well as savings... in reverse!
  • 6. ANNUAL PERCENTAGE RATE (APR) • Standardized measure of how expensive a loan is, or the expected return of an investment • Needed because of the wide variety of fees and interest-rate structures possible. • Does not include compounding • Tends to be higher than nominal interest rate due to fees or related payment requirements. • APR = simple interest APY = compound interest 1% monthly = 12% APR = 12.68% APY APR = Periodic Rate x Number of Periods in a Year APY = (1 + Periodic Rate) ^ Number of Periods - 1 APR ≠ APY
  • 7. THE BENEFITS OF AN EARLY START • Compounding really takes off over long time periods • Exponential functions are non- linear. Every time period builds on the previous one. • In most retirement planning models, money saved between ages 25 - 35 produces more assets in retirement than all savings between 35 – 65! Years Return at 8% 10 2.16x 20 4.66x 30 10.06x 40 21.72x 50 46.9x
  • 8. TYPES OF DEBT student loans, mortgage, auto, credit cards
  • 9. 6: STUDENT LOANS THAT YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR? • National student loan debt at $1.64T • 44.7 million student loan borrowers. • Average debt for Class of 2019 borrower was $29,900. • Student default rate is 10.9% * https://studentloanhero.com/student-loan-debt-statistics/ * https://lendedu.com/blog/average-student-loan-debt-statistics
  • 10. STUDENT LOANS • $1.6 Trillion in the US, and growing rapidly. • Unsecured loan provided to fund education & some related expenses • Loan programs for students & parents. Financial need based. • Interest rates can be fixed or variable. Significant difference in undergrad vs. grad • Rates are much lower than equivalent unsecured long term personal loan to a teenager. • US government subsidizes in a variety of ways: no interest, rate limits, payment programs, loan waivers • Typical term is 10 years, but research shows average payoff time is closer to 21 years due to alternative payment plans & refinancing * https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/13/facts-about-student-loans/
  • 11. MORTGAGES • $15.4 Trillion in the US. $10.9 Trillion for just family residences. • Secured loan against a property. Can be residential or commercial. • Wide variety of terms. Interest rates can be fixed or variable. • Common mortgages: 30 year fixed, 5/1 adjustable rate mortgage (ARM) • Refinancing is common. • Qualification: debt / income, debt / property value, credit score *https://www.statista.com/topics/1685/mortgage-industry-of-the-united-states/ *https://www.federalreserve.gov/data/mortoutstand/current.htm
  • 12. AUTO LOANS • $1.3 Trillion (as of mid-2018) • Secured loan against a vehicle, typically acquired at purchase. • Wide variety of terms. Interest rates can be fixed or variable. • Typically 3-5 years, fixed rate. • Rates vary significantly across providers, auto manufacturers use financing to influence demand. • Leasing vs. Buying • Qualification: credit score * https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-seven-year-auto-loan-americas-middle-class-cant-afford-their-cars-11569941215
  • 13. CREDIT CARDS • $1 Trillion+ (as of Q2 2019) • Unsecured loan, paid on a revolving 30-day cycle • Wide variety of terms. Interest rates are typically variable. • Fees, benefits complicate simple analysis. • Interest rate is calculated daily, grace period can be counter-intuitive / expensive when exceeded. • Qualification: income, credit score • Key component of credit score (!) * https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-states-average-household-now-owes-10175-in-credit-card-debt-2019-09-11
  • 14. CREDIT SCORES your borrowing record & why it matters
  • 15. WHAT’S A CREDIT SCORE • Lenders report to 3 major centralized credit agencies when you apply for debt, receive debt, and when you pay off debt. • Building a good credit score is essential for qualifying for most loans. It can affect other services too, as it is used for identity verification. • Issues that affect credit score: length of history, on time payment, percent of capacity utilized, new applications for debt, bankruptcy. • Credit Karma 💯 http://www.creditkarma.com
  • 16. WHY DO CREDIT SCORES MATTER? • Critical component in qualifying for new loans and the rate they are set at. • Many products & services (like wireless & cable plans) utilize them as well to assess credit risk. • Often utilized for identity verification purposes. • Particularly difficult for new immigrants to build. • Seems like a Catch-22, but there are entry products that make it easier.
  • 17. HOW DO I GET A CREDIT SCORE? • Most common methods • Secured credit cards • Student credit cards • Store credit cards • Authorized user on a parent’s card • Student loans, auto loans • Don’t pay interest. Don’t miss a payment. Don’t spend too much. • There are services now that report rent payments
  • 18. LOANS & RATES how much will you owe?
  • 19. $12,000 AT 0% INTEREST FOR 1 YEAR SIMPLE LOAN PAYMENT = $1,000 PER MONTH $0.00 $100.00 $200.00 $300.00 $400.00 $500.00 $600.00 $700.00 $800.00 $900.00 $1,000.00 $1,100.00 $1,200.00 $1,300.00 JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC PRINCIPAL
  • 20. $12,000 AT 12% INTEREST FOR 1 YEAR SIMPLE LOAN $0.00 $100.00 $200.00 $300.00 $400.00 $500.00 $600.00 $700.00 $800.00 $900.00 $1,000.00 $1,100.00 $1,200.00 $1,300.00 JAN FEB MAR APR MAY JUN JUL AUG SEP OCT NOV DEC PRINCIPAL INTEREST PAYMENT = $1,066.19 PER MONTH. FIRST MONTH = $120.00 INTEREST.
  • 21. AMORTIZATION • The process of reducing the value of a loan by a periodic amount. • PMT(), PPMT(), IPMT() built into spreadsheets • E60 teaches the basics of how to convert cash flows to rates of return (or vice versa) • Once you have payment, you can figure out interest & principal portions trivially on an iterative basis. (e.g. calc 1st period, reduce principal, repeat for 2nd period, etc)
  • 22. $30,000 AT 2.5% INTEREST FOR 3 YEARS SAMPLE AUTO LOAN $0.00 $100.00 $200.00 $300.00 $400.00 $500.00 $600.00 $700.00 $800.00 $900.00 $1,000.00 $1,100.00 $1,200.00 $1,300.00 JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV PRINCIPAL INTEREST PAYMENT = $865.84.19 PER MONTH. FIRST MONTH = $62.50 INTEREST.
  • 23. $30,000 AT 8.5% INTEREST FOR 3 YEARS SAMPLE AUTO LOAN $0.00 $100.00 $200.00 $300.00 $400.00 $500.00 $600.00 $700.00 $800.00 $900.00 $1,000.00 $1,100.00 $1,200.00 $1,300.00 JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV JAN MAR MAY JUL SEP NOV PRINCIPAL INTEREST PAYMENT = $947.03 PER MONTH. FIRST MONTH = $212.50 INTEREST.
  • 24. $800,000 AT 4% INTEREST FOR 30 YEARS SAMPLE MORTGAGE $0.00 $500.00 $1,000.00 $1,500.00 $2,000.00 $2,500.00 $3,000.00 $3,500.00 $4,000.00 $4,500.00 1 21 41 61 81 101 121 141 161 181 201 221 241 261 281 301 321 341 PRINCIPAL INTEREST PAYMENT = $3,819.32 PER MONTH. FIRST MONTH = $2,666.67 INTEREST.
  • 25. PAYING OFF DEBT different strategies to dig out
  • 26. THE DANGERS OF DEBT • Bankruptcy is literally when you can't pay your debts. You can't go bankrupt if you don't have debt. • You will never find a legitimate investment that pays 8% guaranteed, let alone 20%+ • You will find an endless supply of credit offers out there that will charge you 20%+ • “Bad” debt is toxic, your best return is to pay it off. But emergency fund can take precedence
  • 27. HOW DO I PAY OFF DEBT EFFICIENTLY? • This process assumes you can allocate more $ per month to paying off debt than the minimum payments. Otherwise, that’s your priority. • Organize your loans that you want to pay off. Exclude mortgage from this calculation. • Use consolidation to simplify loans and minimize interest rate. In some cases, extending the term can make sense to free up cash. • Debt Snowball is a popularized term. Refers to paying off the smallest loan first. Based on emotional benefit of paying off debt. • Mathematically, ideal to line up loans in terms of interest rate. Minimumize payments on all loans, use surplus to pay off most expensive loan first. • Problem is that you don’t get cash flow relief until you completely payoff a loan. Student Loan 1 Student Loan 2 Credit Card Auto Loan Amount $6,000 $8,000 $10,000 $20,000 Rate 2.5% 4.5% 22.9% 1.9% Min Pmt $200 $250 $120 $450 Term 10yrs 10yrs ~ 3yrs Peanut Butter $500 $500 $500 $500 Snowball $1180 $250 $120 $450 Optimal $200 $250 $1100 $450 ASSUME $2,000 IN DEBT PAYMENT PER MONTH* These numbers are illustrative only. They are not accurate representations of payment amounts for the rate & period given.
  • 28. SHOULD I PAY OFF ALL OF MY DEBT? • More debt = more risk • Not all debt is the same • Compounding is not your friend with debt, especially high interest debt. • Some debt is subsidized (e.g. Mortgage, Student Loans) • Paying off debt can be emotionally satisfying, but financially irrational. • Paying off debt can improve savings rates over time.
  • 30. WEEK 7: GOOD INVESTING IS BORING • The Magic of Compounding • How to Calculate Returns • Different Types of Investments: Stocks, Bonds, Commodities, Real Estate • Diversification • Modern Portfolio Construction • Taxes Matter